Ukrainian philosopher Serhiy Datsyuk and political scientist Yuriy Romanenko analyze the recent BBC interview with Russian political scientist Sergey Karaganov, where he stated that Russia's desired outcome of the war is "complete capitulation of Ukraine and Europe."
The speakers examine Karaganov's main theses, including his characterization of Europe as "moral garbage" and the desire to "break the moral backbone of European elites."
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